Programming

fell,
@fell@ma.fellr.net avatar

Without going into too much detail, my thesis was criticised for developing a web service with C++. I It was questioned why I didn't use or for the web service. "It's not performance critical" said the professor.

Dude, have you used the internet lately?

EVERYTHING is performance critical!

This sort of teaching explains why most aps/websites run like absolute dogshit.

Why is never an academic criteria?

I wish @cmuratori could see this...

DanielaKEngert,
@DanielaKEngert@hachyderm.io avatar

@setebos @fell @folkerschamel If your job is to call a bunch of API functions from external libraries (usually implemented in one of the system languages) that do the heavy lifting, then any language will do (COBOL anyone?). It's only familiarity (and hence velocity) that matters then. And cost of operations.

_alen,

@folkerschamel @fell I agree with this. In my experience, people asume that something is slow just because it’s written in and usually it turns out that it’s because of developer oversight. In cases where Python is indeed a problem, I managed to solve most of my performance issues with caching, or simple code tweeks.

mjgardner, (edited )
@mjgardner@social.sdf.org avatar

This is hilarious. A engineer invented to make command line scripting easier with , because at a certain point scripts get too complicated and you need a Real Language.

https://github.com/google/zx/

This is exactly ’s use case from thirty-six years ago. But the kids want everywhere and would rather it take more work to convert their ascended scripts to a vastly different syntax.

https://github.com/google/zx/issues/581#issuecomment-1516573139

BoredomFestival,
@BoredomFestival@sfba.social avatar
sullybiker,
@sullybiker@sully.site avatar

@mjgardner In my Unix sysadmin handbook from about 15yrs ago, they make a big point about shell scripts beyond 50 lines really need to become Perl or Python. I am by no means a programmer but I tend to use that as a yardstick. I've seen a tonne of horrendous shell scripts that could use the lesson though.

Adorable_Sergal, (edited )
@Adorable_Sergal@hachyderm.io avatar

We used to have programming books.

(patch notes: added a more detailed description of the man to the alt text)

glightly,
@glightly@mastodon.social avatar
eribosot,
@eribosot@mastodon.social avatar

@Adorable_Sergal Apparently, FORTH is a language for real, well-endowed, manly men, not wimpy cucks with micropenises. Only those who can hold up a giant block of granite while kneeling on a keyboard key are worthy.

vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

Here's some hard truth about C - It's not going away. It's not that it's perfect, but it is immensely portable and useful. More importantly, no other language has come close to its ubiquity. I'm not saying other languages don't do some things better (they definitely do!), but we're going to be stuck with C for a while yet.

RL_Dane,
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

@vwbusguy

Find me another language that can be implemented in a little RAM and storage as C. I doubt you'd find too many.

For a lot of people, the problem with modern programming languages isn't syntax or features, its B L O A T

vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

Not to even mention how many other more "modern" languages still depend on C in some very big ways because of the operating system APIs, native database drivers, or the language itself is written in it (PHP, CPython).

davidbisset,
@davidbisset@phpc.social avatar

"What are your top 12 books?"

Me: 🤔

laskov,
@laskov@mastodon.social avatar

@davidbisset "Googling the Error Message" is a must-have classic

tubetime,
@tubetime@mastodon.social avatar

@davidbisset my personal favorite.

techconsulnerd,

@asklemmy How do you listen to music / podcasts? At what places?

For me, I mostly listen on podcasts during my drive or commuting on the train, via bluebooth earphones even in my car.

When doing deep work such as on the computer, I listened to music out loud (bluetooth speaker) in my home office.

Share your favourite apps, channels or even gadgets in your audio experience.

Rocky60,

I know. It’s about 8000 songs. I work off of a 900 song playlist in my car.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

i listen to music on my drives to anywhere, and most of the day at work. i sometimes listen to podcasts near the end of my work day

ELLIOTTCABLE,

So, I’m low-key thinking of writing my first-ever graphics-heavy software. (Specifically, to do with VR / UIs, but not gaming.)

Thing is, my experience is with PLT & compilers, distsys, FOSS … but extremely not graphics, GPUs, or single-host performance of pretty much any kind.

I need advice. If I want to learn some relatively-low-level graphics stuff, but I have zero relevant background; where do I start?

Any resources for me (tutorials, books, well-known starter projects?)

(Also, any Mastodon accounts I should follow on this topic? Poke me if you're into this stuff and I'll follow you! :P)

ELLIOTTCABLE,

to lean on my existing network a bit … 😅

/cc @aeva @mcc @glowcoil

mcc,
@mcc@mastodon.social avatar

@aeva @ELLIOTTCABLE Checking and… god damn it Microsoft really did something nasty to us when they decided to have the C# VM specification technically be named the "CLI"

veronica,
@veronica@mastodon.online avatar

When you've spent hours writing a lot of code, and you figure out that most of it doesn't work they way you'd though together with the rest of the code base, so you revert most of it and are left with a small chunk of useful stuff ...

That's a Monday.

Time to go watch some SciFi instead 😊

18+ tmr232,
@tmr232@mastodon.social avatar

@veronica @jwildeboer

  • in the books, but I don't think it would've worked as a show.
    This took on a far more personal approach to the story. It's great, and impactful, but I really don't know where things are going.

I have some gripes with the show: one is that the vault feels too powerful; the other is that I did not enjoy the Tellem arc; but assuming the rest will play out well - they are minor.

18+ tmr232,
@tmr232@mastodon.social avatar

@veronica @jwildeboer

And the Demerzel finale is so strong. I absolutely love what they did with her character. Pulling so much emotion from a character that is portrayed as so cold and calculating. Fantastic work.

nixCraft,
@nixCraft@mastodon.social avatar

what was your last "how to..." search about or or topics? 🤔🔍

cathodion,
@cathodion@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@nixCraft flask user-generated content handling. things like replacing the \n’s with <br>’s without breaking the safety defaults. haven’t quite figured it out yet.

El_Al,

@nixCraft Add custom/personal zsh functions
Like half an hour ago

Em0nM4stodon,

Is being a "minimalist programmer" a thing? 👀

As in a programmer who specializes in coding with as few external dependencies as possible. Or is this just generally frown upon?

BradRubenstein,

IMHO "dependency discipline" is at the core of responsible system design.

@Em0nM4stodon

jochie,
@jochie@strangeweb.page avatar

@Em0nM4stodon I don't know if there is a name for it, but I imagine that for anyone who has been bitten by dependency hell in some form or another, the pendulum has swung in that direction: "I can add library XYZ, and who knows when that is going to bite me, because it's no longer maintained, has a security vulnerability in some unrelated part, etc, or I can write just what I need in 10-50 lines of code.”

thisismissem, (edited )
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

Okay Fediverse, as funding is not happening at the levels necessary to sustain me working full-time on the Fediverse (whether that's on trust & safety or on Mastodon), I'm now looking for part-time or contract positions.

Most recently I worked for Sir Tim Berners-Lee's company Inrupt.

CV: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gs5tzLXI6g_TgN3oFJVGfgLTqGi5JCAC06O2JX3_u0o/view
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/thisismissem

I'm based in Berlin, but tend to work EST.

Holla if you wanna work together: emelia+hireme@brandedcode.com

thisismissem,
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

Here's two of my recent recommendations that can be found on my LinkedIn profile:

becha,
AmenZwa,
@AmenZwa@mathstodon.xyz avatar

My favourite language implementations:
• C—Clang
• Smalltalk—Pharo
• Scheme—Racket
• Standard ML—SML/NJ
• Haskell—GHC
• Idris—reference
• OCaml—reference
• Go—reference
• Swift—reference
• Rust—reference
• Elixir—reference
• Nim—reference
• Zig—reference
• Python—reference
• TypeScript—reference

I countenance other languages and their implementations.

AmenZwa,
@AmenZwa@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@lproven @dekkzz76 I usually work with signal processing, image processing, radar, etc. I don't mean to trample the grounds outside my domain.

And I take your pointed objections about my choice of terminology. I was using those terms to describe the reinvention of old technologies in the Web stack, so I couldn't have avoided their use.

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@AmenZwa @lproven

very interesting conversation

julienbarnoin,
@julienbarnoin@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

I've been working a lot with for a while now, writing complex code. Overall, I feel like the single improvement that would make the most difference for the language would be support for pass-by-reference instead of copy in/copy out syntax, as suggested here https://github.com/KhronosGroup/GLSL/issues/84

This would make it possible to do a lot of things that are either not possible or ridiculously inefficient to compile, including object oriented programming.

julienbarnoin,
@julienbarnoin@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

Also one thing that should be easier to do (I imagine) if pass by reference exists, is to accept arbitrary length arrays as parameters.

Right now you can declare a local array and iterate on it with a for loop on its .length(), but you can't move that for loop to a common function that accepts various array sizes as input. The only way to avoid repeating the code is using macros, which sucks.

Again for a language that inlines everything this seems like a strange omission.

dneto,
@dneto@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@gfxstrand @julienbarnoin

has pass by ref but we call them pointers.

And it also has a no aliasing restriction; you can't have two names for the same variable memory and have a RW, WR, or WW hazard in the same function.
https://www.w3.org/TR/WGSL/#alias-analysis

And with all that our compiler does call site specialization until it boils those pointer params away. It's convenient for the programmer but can bloat code size (hopefully no more than hand rolling it yourself)

markstos,
@markstos@urbanists.social avatar

For MLK day here in the US, I'm going to be doing some equity work with and mabe some and posting some updates throughout the day in this thread. If that's your jam, follow along.

Otherwise, you may want to mute me for 24 hours, because this may get noisy. 🧵

markstos,
@markstos@urbanists.social avatar

Why build a ped bridge if it's not going to connect anywhere useful, or safely? "Pedestrian Bridges of North Texas" captures the vibe of how our government often uses pedestrian bridges to solve transportation problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu5JqkufLtE

enobacon,
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smurthys, (edited )
@smurthys@hachyderm.io avatar

A serious question for C and C++ programmers:

What are the benefits of using C over C++ for greenfield projects, setting aside build times and such.

In other words, is there anything that can be done in C that cannot be done at least equally well in C++? Is there something that can be done in C that just can't be done in C++? What are the dealbreakers?

(No language wars please.)

Boosts appreciated: my sphere of influence is quite small. 🙏

#c

PeterSommerlad,
@PeterSommerlad@mastodon.social avatar

@smurthys
if C23 is ratified and while C++ is not yet based on it, you get assert(...) as a variadic macro in C23 but not in C++23:-) (I am guilty and working on it. )

gracicot,
@gracicot@mastodon.social avatar

@PeterSommerlad @smurthys that is, if C++ make it not a macro with contacts and choose to not introduce the ass keyword 🙃

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