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mastodonmigration, (edited ) to threads
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IMPORTANT. Threads stated policy is to collect and exploit Fediverse user personal data without explicit consent.

Now is a very good time to review Threads Terms of Use (https://help.instagram.com/769983657850450) and Supplemental Privacy Policy (https://help.instagram.com/515230437301944).

Note just by following a Threads user or replying to a post, Meta claims they are entitled to your personal data.

And what do they say they will do with your data? Provide you with "business services (including ads)."

Gargron,
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@mastodonmigration @rexum Personal data usually carries a slightly different meaning than a public profile and posts you choose to broadcast to the open web, and the way this entire thread is written is highly misleading in a disappointing way.

mastodonmigration, (edited )
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BUT the EU version has a different section for USERS WITHOUT A THREADS PROFILE that probably is in response to EU rules.

The EU version is arguably OK, and would not have generated this post. The issues raised by this post relate to the US version, and specifically to those Fediverse users who do not have a Threads profile.

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to random
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Mastodon, we have a problem.

@Teri_Kanefield: I am beginning to think I waste my time and energy on social media... I came back to read my comments... and really, I feel ill.

@Popehat: ...find me on Bluesky... less like I'm likely to get screamed at...

@mmasnick: Same is mostly true for me.

@mattblaze: Getting close to joining you... The yelling here is getting to be a bit much.

[Edit to clarify NOT all are considering leaving]

JustinH,
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@GottaLaff @TechConnectify @jztusk @mastodonmigration @Teri_Kanefield @Popehat @mmasnick @mattblaze Furthermore, trolls are on the lower end of the "reasons to avoid Twitter" list while the owner is posting antisemitic conspiracies. Meta quite literally enabled genocide in Myanmar. The Fediverse may require a greater degree of personal responsibility but supporting those companies by encouraging one's following to go there is, IMO, morally contemptible.

mastodonmigration,
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@Teri_Kanefield @Popehat @mmasnick @mattblaze @GottaLaff

Thank you for the positive responses. One thing to clarify is that the quotes cited can lead to the impression that ALL these popular posters are thinking of leaving Mastodon. This is NOT the case or the intention of the post. Rather the problem we are seeing is these and many other regular posters are receiving an increasing amount of frustrating negativism and reflexive nay-saying in the responses. We can do better.

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to Futurology
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Summary from long thread on instance blocking.

M = Meta
A = Allows Meta (does not block)
B = Blocks Meta

  1. A boosts B's post. Can M see B's post?
  2. A replies to B's post. Can M see B's post? A's reply?
  3. A boosts M's post. Can B see M's post?
  4. A replies to M's post. Can B see M's post? A's reply?

Mastodon default (@jerry)

  1. Yes
  2. No Yes
  3. No
  4. No Yes

Mastodon auth_fetch ON

  1. No
  2. No Yes
  3. No
  4. No Yes

Calckey (@kainoa)

  1. No
  2. No No
  3. No
  4. No No

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feditips,
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@supernovae @mastodonmigration @jerry @jarm @kainoa @atomicpoet @stux @dansup @jessel @oliphant

The point of the Fediverse is to stop people being hurt.

Facebook/Meta has hurt people in the worst ways possible:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/

There are hundreds of examples like this of Meta/Facebook's amoral behaviour over the past decade or so. There was even a leaked memo where they said they knew it was going on and didn't care:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/growth-at-any-cost-top-facebook-executive-defended-data#.ff05veQDDx

This attitude is verging on sociopathy.

danwentzel,
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@mastodonmigration @jerry @kainoa Thank you for this very clarifying and informative post.

As a lay user, I plan on having an account on Mastodon and one on Calckey, one of which allows Meta and one of which doesn’t. I hope admins will include on their instance’s home pages whether they allow or block Meta before people join or migrate.

mastodonmigration, to Futurology
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Subject: What's going on with Meta?

To: @Gargron, @ruud, @jerry, @supernovae, @stux, @trumpet, @kev and other large instance admins

Rumors are tearing this place apart out here about secret deals with . The latest is that Meta has held meetings with some of you and they will federate with large instances under contracts providing financial support (1) (2).

This is a time for leadership, not silence. Please, what's going on?

(1) https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/110598855375585873
(2) https://mastodon.social/@alexeheath/110596207691212890

jerry,

@mastodonmigration @Gargron @ruud @supernovae @stux @trumpet @kev I don’t have much to say. I have heard that a few people reached out to Meta to find out what they were doing and (maybe?) signed an NDA. There’s a bunch of people being absolute a-holes to instance admins and admins to each other. I see increasingly ornate catastrophizing like in the screenshots linked above, and anyone who refutes them or points out it’s nonsense is labeled a shill, so no, I really don’t want to talk about it.

If and when I understand what they’re up to and how, I’ll take action, likely along with the rest of the instance admins. In the mean time, I’m not going to participate or add fuel to the hand-wringing hate machine that is emerging here.

Gargron,
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@mastodonmigration I am not aware of any secret deals with Meta. As far as I can tell people are just making stuff up. There is little to comment on until Meta's platform launches.

mastodonmigration, to random
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Might be wrong here, but seems like this may be a bigger deal than a clerical error as is being widely reported:

Rejected and ‘returned for correction’: Docs for Trump’s $175M bond get bounced >>> https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/rejected-and-returned-for-correction-docs-for-trumps-175m-bond-get-bounced/

It may be that the bond company didn't report their financials because they have insufficient collateral to secure a bond of this magnitude. In which case the bond is no good, Trump doesn't have a bond, and he is out of time.

Let's see how this gets resolved...

mastodonmigration,
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@GottaLaff

Whooo boy! It just gets worse and worse...

Not only is Knight unlicensed in NY, it "hasn’t even been vetted by a voluntary state entity that would verify it meets minimum “eligibility standards” to prove financial stability."

And, get this! Knight doesn't even promise to "pay the money if the former president loses his $464 million bank fraud case on appeal. Instead, it says Trump will pay, negating the whole point of an insurance company guarantee..."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-dollar175-million-bond-is-even-shadier-than-it-looks

mastodonmigration,
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@GottaLaff

So, today is the day that Trump/Knight/Hankey need to provide a financial justification to NY. There is no indication yet that they have done so.

"Today is the deadline for Trump to demonstrate the adequacy of the $175 million bond he obtained in order to delay payment of the judgment..."

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/is-the-insurer-providing-trumps-fraud-bond-eligible-to-do-so-485156.aspx

"If Trump fails to meet the Monday deadline for showing the fitness of the bond, the New York attorney general could begin enforcing the fraud ruling..."

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to twitter
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The EU has issued an urgent warning to Elon Musk, giving him 24 hours to respond.

Guardian: EU warns Elon Musk over ‘disinformation’ on X about Hamas attack >>> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/10/eu-warns-elon-musk-over-disinformation-about-hamas-attack-on-x

"Let me remind you that the Digital Services Act sets very precise obligations regarding content moderation..."

"Failing to moderate content such as fake news could incur fine of 6% of X revenues or EU blackout under new laws"

mastodonmigration,
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Here is an image of today's warning letter to Elon Musk from the European Commission:

mastodonmigration, (edited )
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So, now Elon Musk is responding to the EU's warning on Twitter:

"Our policy is that everything is open source and transparent, an approach that I know the EU supports.

Please list the violations you allude to on X, so that that the public can see them.

Merci beaucoup."

Thanks to Sascha Pallenberg @pallenberg (https://mastodon.social/@pallenberg/111212571195385853) for the Twitter screenshots. Good discussion in this thead. As Sascha writes "This won't end well for Twitter."

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mastodonmigration, to random
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Clarification

You do not have to worry about your mastodon.social (m.s) account being defederated.

There is a well meaning, but misleading post currently promoted that suggests you should move your m.s account because:

  1. "Instance admins are considering defederating them"
  2. "Their admin is making spam accounts easier to create."

Very few, if any, instances are considering blocking m.s, and the recent spam attacks are worthy of sober discussion, not hyperbole. [more]

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mastodonmigration, (edited )
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So what is going on? Recently mastodon.social (m.s) has been the target of crypto spam attacks. Attackers have joined m.s and started to post many irrelevant crypto related posts. Moderators on m.s have tracked down these bad actors and isolated them, but some sneak through while the moderation effort tracks them down. It has been dealt with pretty swiftly.

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mastodonmigration,
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@Gargron So the question remains: Should you move to a smaller instance? The answer is you are free to do whatever you want. Some people like smaller instances because of the greater sense of community or common interest. Some people like big instances because of the broader perspective they may afford. It's up to you.

If you are on mastodon.social and want a more intimate experience, open an account on a smaller server and give it a try. It's your social network.

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mastodonmigration, (edited ) to random
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So, lots of reports of abuse and bias on Mastodon today stemming from the Middle East conflict. Perhaps this heightened level of hostility derives from the fact this platform skews left, but these issues divide the left. It's kind of new for us. Whatever the cause, hate speech, antisemitism, islamophobia, racism and personal attacks are never called for and will probably get you blocked or banned. Let's commit to zero tolerance for this garbage. We're better than this. Be kind to each other.

quietmarc,

@mastodonmigration @BernieWonIowa "Don't alienate your audience by calling a genocide a genocide" is a pretty awful take fyi.

mihira,
@mihira@bantu.social avatar

@mastodonmigration I will be kind to whoever agrees that killing people is wrong.

What Israel is doing in Gaza, under Netanyahu, is genocide!
Silencing myself now is being complicit.

Israel government and Netanyahu are the ones to blame. Not Israeli citizens, not the Jewish people. Protesting against an ongoing genocide is not being anti-semitic nor pro-Hamas.

We need to speak UP and not down as you propose to save lives of people in @palestine

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to Futurology
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Meta Specific Data Rights Limitation Notice

Notice is hereby given to Corp. by this account, and all signatories, that all data rights are reserved. No license is granted other than those limited rights as per the account's instance Privacy Policy (eg. https://mastodon.online/privacy-policy).

Specifically no authorization is given for: 1) Monetization in any way, 2) Profiling for targeted advertising or other purpose, 3) AI, LLM or algorithm training.

Simply reply, boost, or favourite to sign

taubin,

@mastodonmigration You do realize these pseudo legal sounding crap posts do absolutely nothing right? It's just like those old email forwards you'd get from your parents.

"Send this to 10 people or your dog will become a cat at the next full moon and eat your birthday cake"

nicktron,

@mastodonmigration This is just silly. This is Facebook era chain mail at best.

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to fediverse
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Threads now has a Supplemental Privacy Policy (https://help.instagram.com/515230437301944) regarding "Third Party Services" like Mastodon. Should Threads interconnect with Mastodon via , this addresses what they will do with our data.

Note that they will collect information from anyone "allowing Threads users to follow you or interact with your content". The information they collect will include your profile, your content, and your interactions.

mastodonmigration, (edited )
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This Supplemental Privacy Policy (https://help.instagram.com/515230437301944) also addresses what Threads will do with the information they collect. These uses include advertisements.

[Edit: Referenced link Meta Privacy Policy (https://privacycenter.instagram.com/policy)]

MOULE,

@mastodonmigration I thought I might re-share this for instance admins — in addition to -ing from federating with your server, here’s a list of iptables firewall commands to drop all inbound and outbound traffic to and from ’s IP address ranges (including Threads). This should completely stop all interaction from Threads to your server! https://mastodon.moule.world/@MOULE/110586556696261405

mastodonmigration, to random
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Again? Really?

Twitter: By submitting, posting or displaying Content.. you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute...

Bluesky: If you post any content.. you hereby grant Bluesky and its licensees a worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, publicly display, publicly perform, modify, sublicense, and distribute..

gatewayy,
@gatewayy@mastodon.gatewayy.net avatar

@mastodonmigration
Not surprised at all, this is how corporations work.

shoq,
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@mastodonmigration

The more things change…

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to random
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So, let's get this straight. Elon Musk decided he had the authority to cause a strategic Ukrainian military offensive operation to fail. An attack presumably coordinated with the US. And Elon Musk shut down communications once the operation was already in motion resulting in a Ukrainian defeat. Ukraine is now in the position that military actions are subject to Elon Musk’s approval. Let that sink in.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-ukraine-starlink

mastodonmigration,
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"Elon Musk secretly ordered his engineers to turn off his company’s Starlink satellite communications network near the Crimean coast last year to disrupt a Ukrainian sneak attack on the Russian naval fleet...”

"As Ukrainian submarine drones strapped with explosives approached the Russian fleet, they “lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly,” Isaacson writes."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-ukraine-starlink

marian,

@mastodonmigration Why are government officials, scientists, journalists still on #X and supporting

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to threads
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is not federating with . Not anytime soon, maybe not ever.

In case you missed the inside information from the Verge's Alex Heath: "Re: ActivityPub integration, it's still a priority for Threads but a "long" way out." https://mastodon.social/@alexeheath/110713788758597963

This whole federating with Threads thing has never made any sense and now we see it is very likely they have just been playing us the whole time. Let's stop falling for this nonsense and get back to building great open social media.

FinchHaven,
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@mastodonmigration

" is not federating with . Not anytime soon, maybe not ever"

The increasing number of people I'm seeing on say exactly the opposite continues to grow

The ability so many people have, to read and retain only what they want to read and believe in the face of repeated contradiction is...

...just like back at

Say it again for those not paying any attention:

--> Threads is not federating with Mastodon. Not anytime soon, maybe not ever <--

pallenberg,
@pallenberg@mastodon.social avatar

@mastodonmigration so we are talking about how many people that signed up for Threads because of a future federated version?

Seriously... no one joined because of

They signed because of and

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to random
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Do you have a friend or family member who is not on Mastodon?

And you are thinking, "love to introduce them, but the whole multiple servers thing... 🤔"

Well, you are in luck.

A new site makes joining Mastodon a snap >>> https://spreadmastodon.org/

In minutes, #newbies will be up and running on mastodon.social (other instances coming soon).

@spreadmastodon has been developed by @tchambers and his team, so you know it's safe to recommend.

Let's do this!

#SpreadMastodon #TakeBackSocial

tchambers,
demvoter,

@mastodonmigration @tchambers @spreadmastodon I think this is fantastic! The “pick your server” as the first step is absolutely a barrier to entry. It’s the most common complaint from people for why they don’t use Mastodon. Getting rid of that is huge!

Thank you for the effort here!

mastodonmigration, (edited ) to random
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Finding it is possible to rely almost entirely on Mastodon for news during this dynamic time, and that it delivers a much more sober coherent blend of information.

Here's how...

  1. Create a List for "News"

Click Lists on the right >>> Type "News" in the box >>> Click "Add list" >>>
Click "News" below >>> Click on little slider bars top right >>>Toggle "Hide these posts from home"

>>>> Edit: Added below from the replies a few more News and a large list of Media accounts.

more...
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mastodonmigration, (edited )
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Here's how (continued)...

  1. Here is a great starter pack of breaking news accounts...

@Teri_Kanefield, @Nonilex, @GottaLaff, @pbump, @dangillmor, @knittingknots2, @w7voa, @heidilifeldman, @rbreich, @uspolitics, @ProPublica, @DemocracyMattersALot, @tristansnell, @z_everson, @samlitzinger, @SteveThompson, @fulelo, @Free_Press, @skykiss

Please leave recommendations below for other accounts you think belong on this list.

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>>>> Edit: More News and Media below

liminoid_space, (edited )
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