Starlink

joeyh,
@joeyh@hachyderm.io avatar

sky train passing overhead at 9:30 here, looks perfect viewing opportunity if the clouds cooperate

also, if the solar storm does deorbit any, it will be those same just-launched ones

benroyce,
@benroyce@mastodon.social avatar

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/05/9/7455062/

" blocks access to for Russians in "

that's nice Pentagon. but couldn't we have done this a little bit sooner before all the bootlicking on terminal access? it's an company

granted, this is all "fog of war" stuff and it's probably not the whole story. i'm sure there was intelligence gathering and deception going on, "random" errors in terminals used by .

adingbatponder,
@adingbatponder@fosstodon.org avatar

Anyone have info on how well this satellite internet works? For example in Southern DE ? Thanks!

adingbatponder,
@adingbatponder@fosstodon.org avatar

@CenturyAvocado Thanks for the info. Better spec than the landline internet of my Mum in Wales! Holy smoke. I guess it works even if u only have battery power in e.g. a caravan. Any idea what sort of power the setup demands? Thanks very much indeed for the info you shared.

CenturyAvocado,
@CenturyAvocado@fosstodon.org avatar

@adingbatponder "Average Power Usage 50-75W" according to https://www.starlink.com/gb/specifications - I have smart plugs but I've not put one on the Starlink to check actual values.

I suspect the usage will be above 75W if doing a large upload where the dish is having to send a lot of data.

joeyh,
@joeyh@hachyderm.io avatar

It's been illuminating to watch 's web interface bit rot over the past couple of years. Until last month it rotted away entirely, with the device serving up only a logo.

Amusingly some users were able to restore the old web interface, which still works because the underlying data is still being provided (and will be probably since the phone app uses the same data source).
https://github.com/iam-TJ/open-dishy/

Now when I go to dishy.starlink.com, it's running on my raspberry pi.

joeyh,
@joeyh@hachyderm.io avatar

The reverse engineering of the JS they're doing is particularly amusing. Like, it contains 679 embedded javascript libraries and all of their licenses, and 1 mb of every load is used to send those licenses over the wire.

luis_in_brief,
@luis_in_brief@social.coop avatar

@joeyh with, I assume, no way to actually see the licenses?

KimPerales,
@KimPerales@toad.social avatar

Musk's : a worldwide threat:

A salesman at RU-based online retailer shopozz.ru has supplemented his usual bus by selling dozens of Starlink internet terminals that'd up with Russians on the front lines in .

Although RU has banned the use of Starlink, middlemen have proliferated in recent months to buy the user terminals & ship them to RU forces -eroded battlefield advantage once enjoyed by Ukrainian forces, which also rely on the cutting-edge devices. https://www.wsj.com/business/telecom/starlink-musk-ukraine-russia-sudan-satellite-communications-technology-f4fc79d9?mod=hp_lead_pos7

happyborg,
@happyborg@fosstodon.org avatar

Giving back to my friend today.

Not as "prise it out of my cold dead hands" as I expected, so I won't be grappling with the dilemma of paying Elon more than £1k/year. Phew!

It's impressively easy to set up and use and works on the roof of my . The 45W consumption has some downside but the fact is I really can do 99% of what I want using a 4G mobile at £240/year. So it's not worth the money to me.

My friend, also on a boat, uses it for endless video conferences.

rmdzn,

udah hadir di Indonesia gaiss.

Lumayan, 750rb/bulan. Beli perangkatnya 7,8jt~~

starlink.com/id/service-plans

ganbold,
@ganbold@misskey.id avatar

@rmdzn jadi penasaran apa ada yang udah coba reverse engineering ke perangkatnya ya ​:iynjirbocchi:​

barangkali bisa bikin yang versi budget

JohnBarentine,
@JohnBarentine@astrodon.social avatar

“Using the current population of we find that the brightest satellites would be naked-eye visible in dark skies, but the high sky brightness during totality will make them undetectable to the unaided eye.”

https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.19722

alexkidman,
@alexkidman@aus.social avatar
rockyd,
@rockyd@aus.social avatar

@alexkidman I am going to guess no, Starlink wasn't good value, without the addition of a third part cut.

alexkidman,
@alexkidman@aus.social avatar

@rockyd Tad more complex than that actually.

brianstorms,
@brianstorms@mastodon.social avatar

LOL. Sorry, I don’t believe you, #Starlink.

brianstorms,
@brianstorms@mastodon.social avatar

@CenturyAvocado

Just ran it again, 3hrs later…. impossible, unless their low-earth-orbit satellites are now within arm’s reach if I stand on the roof? lol

CenturyAvocado,
@CenturyAvocado@fosstodon.org avatar

@brianstorms Why is it impossible?

revk, (edited )
@revk@toot.me.uk avatar

Top tip.

Do not have any other TAGGED VLANs leaking out on your #Starlink bypass mode link.

It appears that they answer all ARPs they see, on any VLAN tags, with an untagged reply for the Starklink gateway MAC. Also, if you have a lot of them, the Starlink will stop working (lots of on/off making around 80% packet loss average).

I have been tracing this around my network for the last few hours.

WilliamLeech,
@WilliamLeech@mastodon.world avatar

@revk Thank you! I wondered if it would be 1, then I reread where you had said if you have a lot of them and thought: You run an ISP, I know basically nothing in comparison and it's better that I look dumb by asking than by assuming.

revk,
@revk@toot.me.uk avatar

@WilliamLeech Well, it is tricky, and I can only assume some other stages of this, my LAN got a tad upset some days ago, then I noticed starlink was very sick. The current mode of replying untagged should not upset much really as replies are on wrong VLAN (unless you overlap IP usage between VLANs). Replying tagged could upset some ARP (though it is a slow reply) and definitely upset DHCP.

It is good practice to lock every port to just needed VLANs, but "easy" to have some VLANs tagged to all.

MichaelaWifi,
@MichaelaWifi@mastodon.social avatar

"House Democrats have initiated an investigation into , the Elon -owned company that provides internet service via satellite, over claims had access to the service to aid in its occupation of ."
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/elon-musk-starlink-congress-investigation-ukraine-rcna142536

nazar, Ukrainian
@nazar@social.kyiv.dcomm.net.ua avatar

Хто купує , зверніть увагу, що в Іспанії до 25 березня він коштує 225 євро.

September_UA,
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JohnBarentine,
@JohnBarentine@astrodon.social avatar

"In the past year, the amount of collision-avoidance maneuvers that needed to happen with the constellation were an order of magnitude greater than they were in the past five years combined."

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/12/new-report-urges-us-look-beyond-cheap-low-earth-satellites-missile-warning/392862/

Powerfromspace1,
@Powerfromspace1@mstdn.social avatar

@JohnBarentine Looks like he already started the wheel rolling and got T-Mobile to pay for it ( I.e. give away spectrum on a promise of profits )

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/un-carrier/first-spacex-satellites-launch-for-breakthrough-direct-to-cell-service-with-t-mobile

JohnBarentine,
@JohnBarentine@astrodon.social avatar

@Powerfromspace1 It still requires regulatory approval. So far I'm only aware that FCC has given out conditional permits for "experimental" applications (like to AST SpaceMobile for testing of its BlueWalker 3 satellite last year). That said, FCC is considering a potential regulatory framework for direct-to-mobile transmissions. There's a notice of rulemaking available here: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-400678A1.pdf

osma,
@osma@mas.to avatar

Venäläisen, selustassa tukitoimissa olevan sotilaan asemapaikassa käytetään Starlink-yhteyttä. Elon ja SpaceX kylläkin väittävät, että Starlink ei toimi venäläisille.

A russian behind-the-lines base uses Starlink for Internet service despite Elon's and SpaceX claims of no service for russians.

Finnish: https://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000010240408.html
Google Translate: https://www-hs-fi.translate.goog/ulkomaat/art-2000010240408.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_hist=true

volkris,

@osma I don’t think it’s wise to immediately trust a Russian behind the lines report…

osma,
@osma@mas.to avatar

@volkris
It is not the only such report

spaceflight,
@spaceflight@spacey.space avatar

🛰️ operate in a below 600 km altitude. With drag at these levels, satellites are naturally deorbited ⤵️ in five years or less. initiated controlled descents on 406 satellites out of nearly 6000 Starlink satellites launched to date. It plans controlled descents on ~ 100 additional early-version 1 Starlink satellites. https://interestingengineering.com/science/design-flaw-spacex-deorbit-satellites

Eka_FOOF_A,
@Eka_FOOF_A@spacey.space avatar

@spaceflight
Slight problem. At the minimum 15,000 tons of space dust tries to get down to earth every year, but only a third makes it. The rest burns up/vaporizes in the atmosphere. Now that number is based on a study that only counted clearly identifiable space dust particles. It missed all the space dust that is very similar to plain earth dust which we know exists from collection traps done in space.

spaceflight,
@spaceflight@spacey.space avatar

@Eka_FOOF_A her rpoint is "Unlike meteorites ☄️, which are small and only contain trace amounts of aluminum, these wrecked spacecraft are huge and consist entirely of aluminum and other exotic, highly conductive materials. And highly conductive materials can create charging effects and act as a magnetic 🧲 shield" (NOT the "space dust that is very similar to plain earth dust")

stacey_campbell,
@stacey_campbell@aus.social avatar

Using someone's setup today, and...yikes.

^C
--- 4.2.2.4 ping statistics ---
265 packets transmitted, 202 received, 23.7736% packet loss, time 334381ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 122.286/662.828/5815.132/793.495 ms, pipe 2

CenturyAvocado,
@CenturyAvocado@fosstodon.org avatar

@stacey_campbell I find it phenomenally fast and reliable in the UK. A worrying game changer for rural internet (e.g. it's existence may dissuade full fibre rollout as it could be difficult to get customers to shift from to something else).

grb090423,
@grb090423@mastodon.social avatar
kiki,
@kiki@aus.social avatar

@grb090423 @kiki yeah right some birds are gonna migrate west instead of north because they see a couple lights in the sky, big deal this stuff can be fixed in post with a simple software update, other than the first couple that weren't painted black this is a non issue. As for the photography part I'm sure researchers will find a way to get around it, literally

grb090423,
@grb090423@mastodon.social avatar

@kiki

What?

I'm talking about pollution of our atmosphere; metals being released as the satellites become non-operative and burn up.

Also, birds and other creatures aren't the sole users of the night sky... many people's lives are guided by it.

Further, our planet as a whole is protected by ground based telescopes constantly on the lookout for meteorites.

Lastly, have a read through this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

Brownian_motion,
@Brownian_motion@mastodon.scot avatar

Not sure how I missed this story before, but here is a example of thinking outside the box. @sundogplanets Would this make a dent in the too bright night sky if structures were made of wood like this concept? https://www.space.com/nasa-japan-launch-wooden-satellite-lignosat-2024

sundogplanets,
@sundogplanets@mastodon.social avatar

@Brownian_motion Sorry just saw this note - yeah, I've seen a couple of articles about the wooden satellite idea. That would definitely help with pollution! Somehow I doubt that the big launchers are looking at this though.

ErikJonker,
@ErikJonker@mastodon.social avatar

So Musk wouldn't allow Ukraine to use Starlink for drones in Crimea, but it's perfectly fine for Russia to use Starlink, on ukrainian territory (!) for their agression / invasion.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/russian-forces-now-using-musks-starlink-on-ukraine-front-line/

BCMetisMan,
@BCMetisMan@mastodon.social avatar

Yet some are still on xitter, not sure why though. This is what you are contributing to by being there.

br00t4c,
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br00t4c, (edited )
@br00t4c@mastodon.social avatar

That's treason.

gooba42,
@gooba42@mastodon.social avatar

@br00t4c I'm sure there's a technicality that'll let the traitors do the usual "well actually..."

We paid Ford reparations for the Nazi factories we bombed, nothing's improved since.

DavidPink99, German

👀 Trump says it openly: He would not defend Europe against an attack by Russia. On the contrary: “I would encourage the Russians to do what they want

video/mp4

DavidPink99, German

⚠️A danger to the economy in the USA is that Elon Musk sells the American people to Putin for Starlink and access to the economy in America and destroys democracy.

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September_UA,
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