Not thst #bluesky is complete trash. It’s just not the answer.
I have issues with its existence - I see it as the linked in version of Twitter, rather than a true contender.
Some issues:
it is still corporate run. Yes that expands resources.
but that also includes the ability to quash dissenting opinions, which right now under the corporate eye are “thoughts that are left of American center.”
The increasing popularity of #Bluesky has uncovered the amount of people here who themselves thrive on controversy and purposely staying economical with information.
I think it’s good people are having a critical eye towards a new player. But when people want to score points by creating controversy of a closed beta, and leaving out information of its ongoing development, that’s not okay.
I feel #BlueskySocial is considered a threat to some hardcore #Mastodon users here and are lashing out.
It's funny how over on Twitter there's a positive vibe about #Bluesky but almost completely opposite from what comments I've seen so far on #Mastodon.
Not sure if people realize Bluesky is barely a private beta with almost no features (It's BuddyPress UI folks) or it's a kind of attitude that Mastodon has gotten noticed for.
Right now Mastodon is the best out of all three, but want to see more people open and logical.
So Bluesky has its first outright Nazi member and not a real strategy on how to handle that. You can’t block users, only mute them so it leaves the community in danger that you can’t outright stop that user from seeing you.
This is where these systems fail, when they are so scared of censorship they put users in danger.
@danarel peeps you’re grown ups. You also are well aware that #Bluesky is still an early work in progress. If you figured out this happened, then you must have taken the time to also read the replies / separate posts on moderation is still WIP and landing in the next few weeks. One of the reasons it’s still invite only.
That said the platforms is powered by people, it was only bound to happen at some point.
But at least stay fair and be better than this to bring down others for your own fun.
I think people assume that Jack’s influence on #Bluesky is larger than it actually is. He’s 1/3 of the board and isn’t involved much otherwise from what the team has said.
All these talk about #BlueSky and complaints about #Mastodon this, #ActivityPub that, #Fediverse this, and #Decentralisation that, are mostly questionable(?) since many haven't seriously looked around the fediverse. It's like saying burgers are bad because you've tasted McDonald's yet there are better burgers from #Jollibee.
The problem stems from the fediverse ending up unofficially represented by a very limited-feature software and most are not willing to do their due diligence (one would think they'll check out the forks at least). Before championing about the new kid on the block, before claiming that the fediverse is this and that, look around first.
What you've known as the fediverse, so far, is only based on what happens to be the software with the least feature set. Mainline Mastodon will get better, but it is what it is currently, as far as comparison with similar fediverse projects.
No one is saying you are not allowed to complain, just look around first before you make claims about the fediverse.
Also, no one is saying #ATP shouldn't exist. By all means develop it! Innovation and improvements come from seeing ideas come to fruition instead of staying as theories. Having different branches of development is better than getting stuck in one particular way of doing things, or line of thinking. It's all good and I think anyone will agree it is much welcomed.
Here's a #challenge: Since you have time to research a non-fediverse network, why don't you explore what the fediverse really has to offer, with the same effort and enthusiasm? Mastodon is not the fediverse, so you can not judge the fediverse based on it. That's like saying China is Asia, and you judge Asians because of mainland China.
Take the challenge, then publish the results of your journey. Good evening, and Shalom!
Too many people are focusing on #decentralization (prevention of takeover) as the most important thing about Mastodon. Here's why I think that's wrong: even a decentralised network can be a "freeze peach" cesspit of hatred, just like Twitter and other libertarian techbro social networks, if it chooses to be. The most important thing about Mastodon is that it chooses not to be. https://nileane.fr/@nileane/110259080083016754 #Bluesky
At first @film_girl dismisses worries about defaulting to mastodon.social as “drama and virtue signaling”.
Then she says that migrating from mastodon.social to elsewhere has a big cost because you “can’t take your posts with you.”
Well, this is why mastodon.social shouldn’t be set as the default server to join: stuff like full text search aren’t supported on it, while that feature is supported on other servers.
@steakfrite yeah, to do that, they’d have to be able to migrate posts from instance to instance, which right now is both not possible and the attempts to do that have been shut down (even by people who found solutions and wrote PRs). People pretend moving doesn’t have a cost, but it does. You can’t bring your posts with you.
@atomicpoet@film_girl can we FIRST try to keep the already registered active here or coming back before thinking of solutions to attract new users? because i notice people create accounts, login & because there is no interaction, go back to twitter. And when you go to the #introductions page, you find new users looking for who to follow. If #mastodon can create a page like the local or federated feed where every mastodon user is shown randomly, new users will be able to click on those with profiles they find interesting and follow. This will solve part of the "no-interaction" problem driving users back to #twitter or #bluesky or other platforms
A reminder: BlueSky isn’t decentralized until anybody can install a server and run their own node and communicate freely with every other BlueSky user.
Until then it’s just another Jack-associated social network.
Admittedly, I am skeptical of Bluesky. Mostly because I have seen people like Jack Dorsey churn out reinventions of the wheel time and time again, only resulting in products that are harder to use, more obtuse, combative to poor people, and built with a single point of failure (an oracle or something).
Like, everyone is bullish on this now, but everyone seems to forget that Dorsey owns a crypto exchange. This shit is going to be powered by crypto at some point.
@msprout#BlueSky will have a very quick rise and then flame out like an asteroid in low orbit, but if it at least enables a bunch of people to get of the bird site that might be worth it
I feel like I've largely rebuilt the community I had on Twitter over here on #Mastodon and am just not interested in #BlueSky right now. I'm honestly disappointed that they deliberately chose not to have #ActivityPub compatibility. Also, I don't really trust Jack, either. He very intentionally pushed for Elon taking over Twitter. Going to BlueSky seems sort of like falling for your ex again because they changed their name from Brianna to Bri and started wearing a leather jacket.
@Whizanth@gmate8 You're correct that #ATProto itself doesn't use crypto but that doesn't mean it isn't a planned thing for #BlueSky itself. Considering Jack is behind it and largely funded it with bitcoin, it's not hard to connect those dots.
Jack Dorsey enthusiastically co-signed the deal that betrayed 200 million Twitter users and handed their accounts over to a fucking right wing egomaniacal billionaire. You’ll have to excuse me if I’m not eager to sign up for another one of this dude’s schemes.
@Green_Footballs
I suspect there is something dark behind Jack #Dorsey and his promised blue sky app that is supposed to be a twitter replacement. I read Dorsey still owns a large portion of #twitter shares. (2.4 percent).
I suspect the promised #bluesky app may be a False Flag operation, so that people wait indefinitely for bluesky. The idea is to stop people from moving on to better alternatives like #mastodon