eBikes

davidzipper,
@davidzipper@mastodon.social avatar

In the last 6 days the NY Times has run 4 articles about e-bikes -- all of them negative.

A few other stories the paper might consider:
🔹 E-bikes pollute far less than even electric cars
🔹 Compared to autos, e-bikes pose minimal risk to other people
🔹 Unlike cars, e-bikes provide exercise

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quats,

@davidzipper An e-bike can be as fast as a car in city traffic, while using less gas and being far easier to park. And allowing for more vehicles in traffic. Cities would be nuts to not consider them.

juergen_hubert,
@juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe avatar

@davidzipper Well, the NYT is a conservative newspaper, so that should not be surprising.

ordinoides,
@ordinoides@kolektiva.social avatar

People For Bikes, the main bicycle industry lobbying group, is trying really hard to keep ebike repair tools and manuals out of the hands of independent repair shops through carveouts for ebikes from right to repair laws on the grounds of battery safety.

This is very similar to the tactics used by car companies to keep car owners locked to dealerships for repairs.

Yes, batteries can be dangerous. But what's even more dangerous is that people will improperly dispose of broken bikes when they don't have access to the documentation and diagnostic tools manufacturers make, but only license to official shops.

Besides the battery thing is a big red herring. The stuff they're holding back isn't battery repair tools, it's documentation of everything else like controllers and throttles and sensors. They would rather brick your bike than let you have control over it.

https://grist.org/transportation/why-e-bike-companies-love-battery-recycling-but-hate-independent-repair/

lioracle,
@lioracle@urbanists.social avatar

It’s obscene that enormous electric trucks and suvs are getting tax credits but are not

@TheWarOnCars

moldybasil,
@moldybasil@mstdn.science avatar

@lioracle @TheWarOnCars that's easy it's because pickup trucks and SUVs are tools for hauling important stuff like groceries or wood or driving in snow or rain. Whereas bikes are just expensive toys for exercise. Pictures unrelated

A family SUV (white flyer E-bike) with a weeks worth of groceries
Three rugged off-road SUVs (my flyer E-bike, a veo bikeshare bike, and an old cheap mountain bike) in the snow

clive,
@clive@saturation.social avatar

@lioracle @TheWarOnCars

Yes!

I've been thinking about this for quite a while too

Wrote an essay about it (free link): https://clivethompson.medium.com/its-time-to-subsidize-e-bikes-900a862b8e76?sk=dea9f07c0dab4be831ee50a197360f95

The good news, such that it exists, is that there are some emerging local/state programs to subsidize ebike purchases -- and when their effects are studied, they're great! Folks drive less, burn less fuel; towns have less traffic; the results are woven from win-win

So, yeah, we just need more more more of it

rgulick,
@rgulick@social.coop avatar

Well, this sucks.

The NJ legislature just passed a bill requiring low-speed electric bicycles to be registered with the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission and to be insured.

Somewhere, either a fossil fuel lobbyist or an insurance industry lobbyist got his wings.



rgulick,
@rgulick@social.coop avatar

I've never heard of requiring eBike registration and insurance before. Any other states doing this?

FeralRobots,
@FeralRobots@mastodon.social avatar

@WearsHats @rgulick
In NY, for a long time, your ebike was unlawful if it had a throttle. At that time I was a big fan of being able to register an ebike as a class 2 moped. I still think it makes sense; I think it potentially opens a market segment for lawful ebikes that are fast enough to replace gasoline scooters.

afewbugs,
@afewbugs@social.coop avatar

"Electric vehicles as a whole displaced about 1.5m barrels of oil a day globally in 2022, according to Bloomberg. Two-thirds of that – almost 1m barrels a day – was just from electric bikes and mopeds, which are known as electric micromobility."

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2024/apr/11/evs-are-booming-but-electric-bikes-are-really-cutting-emissions

BrentToderian,
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STUDY: “The findings suggest that E-Bikes not only serve as a crucial alternative to cars but also complement limited transit services.” Via @sciencedirect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0966692324000437

piper,

When I sold my last car in 2011 and switched to bike (first a standard, last 5 yrs eBike) I walked past the auto-electrician, the tyre place, the rego office, spare parts dealer, the mechanic, the panel beater, the petrol station etc etc and counted all the money I was saving and it made me very happy.
Also noticed how many things I did not spontaneously shopped for because I had no way of getting them home (and really didn't need them anyway).
It works well for me, public transport is used for trips I can't make with the bike.
The freedom of pulling up next to the shop without having to search for a parking spot is priceless.
Some would find it extremely inconvenient for sure. Others, like myself, find it very liberating.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/08/its-also-just-fun-why-a-growing-number-of-australia-families-are-ditching-cars-for-e-bikes

piper,

@tshirtman friends just spent $8000 on a car barely worth more than that, to get it back on the road. It was great to 'get their freedom back' they said. 🤔
Conditioning and the inability to think outside the box (pardon the pun) proved costly.

yac,
@yac@mamot.fr avatar

@tshirtman @piper I find that a good part of that freedom is lost on car centric infrastructures and city planning though. At least where I live.

gremlins,
@gremlins@cijber.social avatar

searching for e-bike recommendations for my disabled ass, that won't break the bank and have an amount of cargo capacity even if it's like a few bags of groceries (more is better, i'm a disaster)? I need to nearly-never pedal and especially not up any hills or anything

please RB 🥺

pezmico,
@pezmico@mastodon.nz avatar

We keep willfully ignoring the actual solution for urban and suburban transport.
We still let the car industry lead with the preservation of their profits instead of looking at what's actually working.


The world’s 280 million electric bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far more than electric cars

https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-280-million-electric-bikes-and-mopeds-are-cutting-demand-for-oil-far-more-than-electric-cars-213870

FolksVelo,
@FolksVelo@mas.to avatar

Kudos to the EU Parliament for their ruling on replaceable batteries. Great news for consumers and the environment... and their ruling will not only cover smart phones, too will have to follow this new regulation.

wackyIdeas,

@FolksVelo @seachanger Awesome news.

ingalls,

We’re going to get a new dishwasher soon and looking at the specs on my , affordable trailers I could buy, and dishwashers at Ikea it is absolutely possible for me to tow this thing home myself.

We’ll probably get it delivered but man I really want to be that guy towing a dishwasher on a .

ingalls,

@samhainnight I have now. My hero.

ShawneMartinez,

@enobacon @ingalls sounds like 2 dishwasher Pedalpalooza rides coming up soon! 👀

davidzipper,
@davidzipper@mastodon.social avatar

In Fast Company, I reviewed a momentous year for both AVs and e-bikes, two mobility modes now on very different trajectories.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90994141/why-2023-was-the-year-of-the-e-bike-and-not-the-self-driving-car

davidzipper,
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BarbChamberlain,
@BarbChamberlain@toot.community avatar

Best-selling electric vehicle in US? The e-bike. WaPo on appeal of the car replacement that makes you happy.
https://wapo.st/3RXYuAb (gift link)
Kawthar Duncan: “Before I know it, I’m riding 20 miles a day,” she laughs. “I never thought it was going to be me.”
Adrienne McCann: "Eventually, a lightbulb turned on when her e-bike-owning friend told her she wasn’t buying an expensive bike. It was a cheap car."

Erich,
@Erich@a2mi.social avatar

There has been a deluge of articles in the last couple weeks about the danger of and California's push to require licensing to ride them.

As a bike rider it's never surprising to see the media and drivers blame riders for their own deaths, no matter how egregious the driver error was. And some of the cited examples are quite egregious.

But this push for education and licensing made me wonder:

How effective is Driver's Ed at improving road safety?

Not at all.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8142340/

Erich,
@Erich@a2mi.social avatar

This NYT article is full of examples where eBike riders were doing everything they could to ride safely, and yet drivers still crashed into them.

The solution is not to reform the eBike riders, it's to reform the drivers, the cars, and the built environment.

No amount of education would have kept these people safe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/health/ebikes-safety-teens.html

osma,
@osma@mas.to avatar

@Erich
Spot on. There are only two effective methods for increasing traffic safety:

  1. Build environments where safety is a design factor. It's not like there aren't good examples.
  2. Include mandatory traffic lessons on bikes in driver ed and especially for professional drivers.

https://road.cc/content/news/182717-video-how-teach-bus-drivers-give-cyclists-space

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