@nosherwan@keithjgrant Oh I’ve been involved with that spec. It’s very interesting. Talked about it on Shop Talk Show last year. (CSS Cascade level 6 — not a different spec with "Scope" in the title. @davatron5000 made fun of me sighting spec level numbers, :P rightly so...)
@keithjgrant pretty sure it was me who discovered that transitioning grid could enable transition to auto (it wasn't even possible in Chrome back then). I know, I knit-pick, but I do like to brag about it. I'm just quite happy it's possible at all. 😊 https://nemzes.net/posts/animating-height-auto/
"The focus of my research is applying #fp, in particular #chez#scheme, to low-level problems — the type of situations that usually call for #rust or #c"
— highly recommended talk on programming with serialized data from @vollmerm @ #ELSconf
@theruran@vollmerm
heavy wager:
"While I'm a long time #schemer, most of my research deals with using #types to improve performance... I promise I'll convince everyone here that types are good by the end of this talk"
@rml@theruran@vollmerm
I love how the minimal #Chez interpreter (without the compiler) on x86_64 Linux is only 346800 bytes. That is small and minimal. But the Chez compiler is best-in-class, producing the among the fastest and smallest binaries of any Lisp.
That said, Guile's #GPL licensing and it's use in #GuixOS, and it's extensive collection of libraries and SRFI support, make #Guile a superior choice for practical applications (IMHO). Also now I know of someone working on porting the "PreScheme" compiler from Scheme48 (a Scheme subset with no garbage collector) to Guile for use in building low-level performance binaries: https://gitlab.com/flatwhatson/guile-prescheme
> "I promise I'll convince everyone here that types are good by the end of this talk"
As a Haskeller, I do not need convincing at all. One thing that got me to even pay attention to #Scheme however was a conversation with a friend, William Byrd -- by the way, who's dissertation is in relational logic programming from the University of Indiana under Dan Friedman, same school as the presenter in this video -- explained to me that the power of Scheme comes from both it's minimalism, but also it's macro system which you can use to implement any type system you might want. Byrd told me he is frustrated by the world kind of gravitating toward the Hindley Milner type checking algorithm used by OCaml, F#, Haskell, Typed-Racket, Coalton, Carp, and PreScheme, as if it is the end-all-be-all of type systems.
So anyway, Will Byrd convinced me how cool it is being able to use any type system at all in Scheme. Hindley-Milner, CSP, Pi Calculus, Calculus of Constructs, Separation Calculus, Location Calculus (which I just now learned about!), or maybe even more exotic constraints systems modeled on physics -- use whatever is best for your problem domain.
Over the years as a software developer I've had projects where I spent intensely collaborating in a team, and projects where I work by myself. I feel the tension between the two.
When I'm in a team I want to collaborate, even though the human interaction is quite draining to me. This means pairing and discussing plans and strategy.
But when I am working alone I feel pleasure of being in the flow and cranking out code.
I've had the pleasure of working in a highly effective team for a few years. The team didn't start out that way, but we got there together. The team wasn't composed of extraordinary developers, but a mixture of normal devs each with our own strengths and weaknesses. We just collaborated well and frequently.
The other reason teams have the wrong defaults for collaboration is because the culture and tools are heavily influenced by open source development practices.
In many ways that has been a good thing, but in this case it's not. Open source collaboration is optimized for asynchronous collaboration, different intensity of contribution, low default levels of trust.
And that's not like a tight-knit effective software development team at all.
@mjgardner I wrote a 200 line Proof of Concept, that by the time I left last job had turned into a ~14K LOC behemoth that should never have been put into production for all these reasons.
@godeater “...[T]here are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies.
I have a silly question for you, Fedi. I have a 1:N relationship between artists and countries table. I know countries may change, but let's assume that it's a fixed list for now. What would you do to retrieve the countries data to use in a form to create a new artist: query the DB, or just declare a constant array in the form view, and why? Thank you in advance. :) #Programming#Database
@ascherbaum@dani That's a good point indeed. As I'm mostly playing around now, I don't really expect that many showstoppers... But, little experience as I have, and it's been more than enough to know that things tend to grow, and then a little change needed somewhere breaks too many places... Specially if you weren't ready for that in advance. :) Thanks!
Decided to try and compare the general base program size of several languages. I wrote a handful of Hello World programs, and stripped them of everything. Here's the final results in KiB:
For #golang, you should try @TinyGo. The main Go compiler is designed to prioritize performance and runtime safety over binary size. But TinyGo is designed for small places.
IDK what's TinyGo Linux binary size for Hello World but we recently optimized a lot for #wasm, and a wasm binary hello world with stripped out debug info is something like 40 bytes.
59 years ago today, the first computer program written in #BASIC was run.
The easy-to-learn and -use #programming language revolutionized #computing. A decade later, #BillGates would co-found #Microsoft to develop and sell the BASIC interpreter for the #Altair 8800, the first commercially successful desktop microcomputer.
@bazcurtis@Cloudguy I’m still in touch with my elementary school math teacher that introduced me to the #Commodore64. I slightly repaid the favor thirty years later by rehabilitating a collection of #OLPC XO laptops for her to bring to kids in Africa
I'm playing with #python just now (never done anything serious in it) and I had setup my #java environment recently as well (playing with different options for a linux/windows GUI that didn't need different code for each).
I saw a language speed comparison chart that listed a formula used to calculate Pi to a given accuracy. It showed a 10x difference in speed in favor of Java.
As a little end of work day jolly I thought I'd recreate that on my local machine and see.
I wasn't familiar with the formula so I used #chatgpt to get the formula. That took some clarification to get the correct formula out, but it got there in the end ( -1 to the power and not -1 times).
I wrote the Python version first, and then wrote the same thing in Java.
Running the test I came up with a 5x difference in Javas favor (24s for Python, 5s for Java).
@walkerb@cathodion Not that it's wrong to try "the defaults" just for fun, but I do think it's important to avoid attaching too much meaning to the results. I mean, different languages are designed to do different things well, and this code sample specifically exercises one of the things Python is not designed to do well: efficient numerical computation (and runtime speed in general). IMO it would be misguided to dismiss the huge potential for improvement by using a dedicated numerical library in Python, because that's one of the things Python does do (relatively) well: it lets you seamlessly(ish) use extension modules to make up for the shortcomings of the language itself.
Incidentally, I tested it with Numpy because I was wondering the same thing. On my system:
Pure Python: 26s
Java: 3.5s
Python+Numpy: 0.8s
🆕 blog! “Why aren't there more visual programming languages? (An ode to DRAKON)”
I think the computer programming industry is about to reach a reckoning. No, not because ChatGPT can poorly plagiarise buggy code - but because a whole generation of kids have grown up with Scratch. And they'll want professional tools which have Scratch's level of usa…
@Edent what fun it'd have been to grow up with scratch instead of basic and assembly peek/poke and every other language something you needed to save money for a year to buy.
@Edent I will happily embrace visual tools based on Scratch when they build something akin to Vim keybinds.
I do think it's possible, though building this sort of block-based tool for a programming language is not easy, and there are key fluencies that text has that don't seem as easily reproduced for tools like this.
When I say #BASIC, I mean anything from Dartmouth up to and including Q/uickBASIC. I do not consider VisualBasic, VB.net, etc, to be BASIC any more than I consider Javascript to be Java. Newer ones in the same spirit - FreeBASIC and qb64, do count, however.
This is my personal opinion and I'm sure many draw the line somewhere else, but when I use that word, it's somewhere in that range (including Atari, Commodore, CP/M, Altair, etc flavors). #programming
@vwbusguy very much so. vb1 was qbasic with bells and whistles and each version after that pushed basic further and further into the background. i went from zx spectrum basic, basic on a dec pdp, gwbasic, qbasic 4-7, vb1-vb6. beginners now have to jump into programming with python or javascript which are just awful in my opinion compared to the simplicity and elegance of basic.
languages that are involved in some sort of data analysis and processing (#sql, #clang /c++) are doing very well. Not sure what to make of #Python; are ppl in #AI seeing through the reality is a scripting over extremely performant c/c++ and that there are other lang that can glue as well? #golang & #Julia are ⬆️
By all accounts, TypeScript has been a big success for Microsoft. I've seen loads of people sparkle with joy from dousing JavaScript with explicit types that can be checked by a compiler. But I've never been a fan. Not after giving it five minutes, not after giving it five years. So it's with great pleasure that I can announce...
@maxim Hi folks, I'm building computers and developing software professionally since my teen years when 6502 and Z80 were all the rage. These days I do almost only C++ in a small engineering company in the south of Germany. The problem domain is mostly applied signal processing, machine control, data visualization, inter-device communication, interaction with enterprise resource planning, and the like. I'm also a member of the C++ Standard committee, involved in the future core language.
@maxim Hi everyone, I am a #backend developer for 20+ years. I code mostly in #perl, #nim, #python, #cpp and many more #polyglot. A bit of #rust. I am from Europe. Additionaly I am a #sysadmin for life. So if you need some help, my DM are open or ping me public. Have a nice one eyerybody!
I wrote ✏️ 🎉 an article about Running Tasks Concurrently in Django Asynchronous Views :django: Buckle-up for our async-journey together! 🚗 #django#python#async
It would be useful to make this possible directly in Django, at least when using PostgreSQL and Psycopg 3.1+ but I couldn't find an issue about it in the tracker, and I don't know if it doesn't exist or I couldn't find it. 🤷
My #golang talk proposal got declined a few times. I’m trying to make sense of that. Does it have to do with the pitch, or is it a topic the Go community is generally not interested in?
I was expecting a little more enthusiasm when it comes to giving chance to non-cloud/infra/tooling topics. Why would you go to a conference talk, if it tells you the same story over and over again? I think that conference organizers should strive for more topic diversity.
@preslavrachev To me, the pitch is missing some concrete details. You mention desirable qualities in software, but what are you actually doing? Are you using Go in the frontend? Server-side rendering? Did you built a MVC framework?
E.g. I'd describe a REST Go backend with a Typescript frontend as "using Go for a web service". That would a fairly common story. Yet, you paint your choice as "audacious", so probably not that?
Is there a concept in #programming for whether an #API is inward or outward? For example, suppose I have an interface whose intention is that other code can implement it, but it's only supposed to be called by the internals of my code: it's public for implementation, but internal for callers.
